The Universe, Fixity and Flux | Sabine Hossenfelder, Paul Davies and Lee Smolin | IAI
TLDRIn a profound discussion at the forefront of theoretical physics, Lee Smolin, Sabina Hossenfelder, and Paul Davies delve into the question of whether the laws of the universe are fixed or subject to change over time. Exploring the implications of ancient quasar light and distant galaxies, they challenge the traditional view of unchanging universal laws. The debate covers the necessity of revising our scientific frameworks to accommodate a universe in flux and contemplates the possibility of laws evolving, drawing insights from biology and quantum mechanics. This discussion not only questions the foundation of scientific understanding but also suggests a radically new perspective on the nature of the universe itself.
Takeaways
- π The debate on whether the universe is governed by static or changing laws is central to understanding its nature and the success of science.
- π Leading scientists propose that laws of the universe might change over time, based on evidence from ancient quasar light and distant galaxies.
- π Lee Smolin and Sabina Hossenfelder argue for a reevaluation of the foundation of physics, suggesting that the traditional view of fixed laws might be outdated.
- π€ Paul Davies introduces the idea of a computational universe, suggesting that the laws of physics might become more precise over time rather than changing.
- π§ Sabina Hossenfelder emphasizes the importance of questioning whether our current laws of physics, which do not change over time, are the best tools for understanding the universe.
- π‘ Lee Smolin introduces the principle of precedence, suggesting that laws could evolve based on past occurrences, challenging the notion of time-independent laws.
- π¬ The discussion raises questions about the very nature of scientific laws and whether they are merely observed regularities expressed in mathematical terms.
- π» The potential for laws to emerge from lawlessness or for laws to be emergent properties was considered, introducing new perspectives on the origin of universal laws.
- π₯ A key theme is the significance of time in quantum mechanics and the idea that future states could influence present states, suggesting a non-traditional view of causality.
- π The possibility of a multiverse with different laws was discussed, though the focus remains on understanding the implications of evolving laws within our own universe.
Q & A
What central idea are leading scientists challenging based on investigations of ancient quasar light and the X-ray properties of distant galaxies?
-Leading scientists are challenging the idea that unchanging, universal laws underlie everything in the universe, proposing instead that the very laws of the universe might change.
What is Lee Smolin's stance on the question of whether the laws that govern the universe are fixed or might change over time?
-Lee Smolin suggests that the laws of the universe must evolve. He argues that to explain the laws, we must consider a dynamical process of evolution, citing Charles Sanchez Peirce on the necessity of explaining how laws came to be.
How does Sabina Hossenfelder address the question of changing laws of the universe?
-Sabina Hossenfelder notes that our current best descriptions of the universe, such as quantum field theory and general relativity, do not incorporate time-dependent changes. She suggests that while there is no evidence for time-dependent laws based on current observations, the more intriguing question is whether we are using the right type of laws in foundational physics.
What unique perspective does Paul Davies offer on the possibility of changing laws of physics?
-Paul Davies introduces the idea that the computational view of the universe and the limitations of computational resources could lead to flexibility or uncertainty in laws, akin to quantum mechanics' uncertainty. He also explores the idea that laws might not so much change over time but could evolve to become more precise.
According to the discussion, why might the concept of unchanging laws not fit well with biology?
-The concept of unchanging laws might not fit well with biology because biological systems are dynamic and governed by open-ended evolution, which does not align neatly with the notion of fixed, immutable laws.
How does the principle of precedence, proposed by Lee Smolin, aim to explain the consistency of physical laws without assuming their time-independence?
-The principle of precedence, proposed by Lee Smolin, suggests that the universe could reproduce the outcomes of physical laws by referencing past situations of similar specification, choosing one randomly. This approach would mimic the effects of time-independent laws without actually requiring them to be immutable.
What challenge does Sabina Hossenfelder see in the conventional framework of fundamental physics regarding the universe's initial state?
-Sabina Hossenfelder challenges the conventional framework that requires a specification of an initial state and an evolution law, pointing out that it leads to a 'chicken and egg' problem regarding the universe's origin. She questions whether different types of laws, not based on differential equations, could be more useful in describing our observations.
Why does Lee Smolin emphasize the importance of distinguishing between laws governing small subsystems of the universe and those applicable to the universe as a whole?
-Lee Smolin emphasizes this distinction because laws governing small subsystems can be tested by applying them to various initial conditions within these subsystems. However, laws governing the universe as a whole must account for the selection of laws and initial conditions themselves, requiring a fundamentally different kind of law.
How does the debate on the changing laws of physics relate to our understanding of the Big Bang's initial conditions?
-The debate touches on the need for a law of initial conditions in addition to the dynamics of the universe. If laws or constants can change, the traditional way of understanding the Big Bang's uniformity and initial conditions through fixed laws may need reevaluation, suggesting a broader, more flexible framework for cosmology.
What implications would the acceptance of evolving physical laws have on the practice and philosophy of science?
-Accepting evolving physical laws would significantly alter scientific practice and philosophy, shifting the search for universal and eternal truths towards understanding the mechanisms of law evolution. It challenges the traditional view of science as the quest for immutable laws, instead suggesting a dynamic, evolving universe that may require a new scientific paradigm.
Outlines
π The Nature of Universal Laws: Static or Flux?
The paragraph discusses the fundamental question of whether the universe is governed by unchanging laws or if these laws are subject to change over time. It highlights the historical context of scientific thought leaning towards static laws for understanding the universe. However, recent investigations into ancient quasar light and distant galaxies challenge this notion, suggesting that universal laws might evolve. The speakers, including theoretical physicists Lee Smolin, Sabina Hossenfelder, and Paul Davies, introduce their perspectives on this central debate, hinting at the possibility of a new framework to understand a dynamic universe.
π€ Re-evaluating the Concept of Fixed Universal Laws
This paragraph delves into the re-evaluation of fixed universal laws, prompted by new scientific evidence. Paul Davies posits that the concept of fixed laws might be a theological hangover and suggests that the computational view of the universe could introduce flexibility or error into these laws. He also discusses the limitations of applying fixed laws to biological systems and proposes that laws might change with system complexity. Lee Smolin emphasizes the need to explain not just the universe but also the laws themselves, advocating for a dynamic and active role of time in creating events and potentially shaping the laws.
π Defining Scientific Laws and Their Implications
The speakers explore what constitutes a scientific law, noting that these are observed regularities in nature that can be mathematically formulated. Sabina Hossenfelder questions why certain equations are termed 'laws' while others are not, highlighting the arbitrariness in naming. Paul Davies adds that scientific laws are approximations within broader theories and that the quest for a unified 'super law' reflects the movement towards physics unification. Lee Smolin discusses the limitations of laws applied to small subsystems of the universe and suggests that different methodologies may be needed for understanding the universe as a whole.
π¬ The Motivation Behind Questioning Unchanging Laws
The paragraph examines the motivations for questioning the immutability of fundamental laws, with Paul Davies referencing the work of John Webb on the fine structure constant and its potential variation over time. This observation challenges the laws of electromagnetism and quantum mechanics. Davies also discusses the limitations of applying fixed laws to biological systems, suggesting that a new conceptual framework may be necessary. Sabina Hossenfelder mentions the tensions in cosmology that hint at a need for a reorganization of the current framework, and Lee Smolin emphasizes the importance of considering time as an active creator of events and laws.
π The Emergence of Laws from Lawlessness
In this paragraph, Lee Smolin elaborates on the idea that universal laws might be emergent properties, with precedence playing a crucial role. He proposes a measure of 'variety' to quantify the difference in viewpoints of events in the universe, which leads to Schrodinger's equation under certain conditions. Smolin suggests that this approach could provide a new kind of law applicable to the entire universe, challenging the traditional view of time and the emergence of laws from lawlessness.
π Implications of Changing Universal Laws for Scientific Practice
The speakers discuss the implications of potential changes in universal laws for scientific practice. Lee Smolin suggests that such changes would require a radical shift in our understanding, particularly in relation to quantum mechanics and the nature of time. Paul Davies raises the question of whether the traditional scientific pursuit of universal truths might need to be reevaluated. Sabina Hossenfelder discusses the utility of the multiverse concept, suggesting that while it's a useful thought experiment, it may not be directly applicable to explaining observations in our universe.
π‘ Insights into the Nature of Time and Universal Laws
The final paragraph synthesizes the discussion, highlighting the potential insights into the nature of time and universal laws. Lee Smolin emphasizes the importance of considering time as dynamic and irreversible, which has implications for understanding the reversibility of laws at intermediate scales. The speakers also ponder the inevitability of the current laws, questioning whether contingent evolution could have led to different outcomes. The conversation concludes with an acknowledgment of the value in using biology as an example for understanding physical concepts.
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Keywords
π‘Static vs. Flux
π‘Universal Laws
π‘Quasar Light
π‘Theoretical Physics
π‘Einstein's Unfinished Revolution
π‘Principle of Precedence
π‘Cosmology
π‘Quantum Mechanics
π‘Computational Universe
π‘Dynamical Process
Highlights
Debate on whether the universe is fundamentally static or in flux, highlighting the importance of this discussion for understanding the universe.
Introduction of Lee Smolin as a revolutionary theoretical physicist, known for his works 'Einstein's Unfinished Revolution', 'Time Reborn', and 'The Trouble with Physics'.
Sabina Hossenfelder's specialization in the foundations of physics and her leadership in the superfluid dark matter group at the Frankfurt Institute for Advanced Studies.
Paul Davies' contribution to physics, ranging from the origin of the universe to foundational questions in quantum mechanics.
Discussion on whether the laws that govern the universe are fixed or subject to change over time.
Exploration of the notion that unchanging laws might not be the best framework for understanding the universe.
Investigation into the possibility of the laws of physics changing with time, introducing concepts like computational view of the universe and errors in laws.
The idea that laws of physics might evolve and are not fixed, challenging traditional notions in physics.
Consideration of laws as functions of the state of a system, offering new pathways to understanding complexity.
The concept of open-ended evolution in biology as a challenge to the notion of fixed laws.
The potential for laws of physics to change with the complexity of a system, rather than just over time.
Lee Smolin's principle of precedence, proposing a new way to understand laws based on past occurrences.
The question of whether fundamentally different types of laws, not based on differential equations, could better describe the universe.
The exploration of laws emerging from lawlessness and the role of precedence in this process.
The impact of evolving laws on scientific practice and the quest for understanding the early stages of the universe.
The role of time in quantum mechanics and the possibility of laws that treat past, present, and future differently.
The concept of the universe ensuring maximum variety and the implications for understanding laws and time.
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