Harvey Mansfield on Donald Trump and Political Philosophy

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18 Dec 201642:50
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TLDRIn this thought-provoking discussion, political philosopher Harvey Mansfield examines Donald Trump's election victory through the lens of classical political science. Mansfield draws parallels between Trump's populist appeal and the notion of a 'demagogue' – a leader who prioritizes mass adulation over principles. He analyzes Trump's unconventional tactics, including rallies, tweets, and a willingness to defy political correctness, which resonated with a disgruntled electorate. Mansfield also explores the role of political parties and the media in accommodating or checking a demagogic force within the constitutional system. Ultimately, the discussion delves into the dynamics of American democracy and the interplay between populism, ambition, and the pursuit of greatness.

Takeaways
  • πŸ‘€ The speakers discuss whether Trump represents a new phenomenon (a demagogue) or is intelligible through classical political philosophy.
  • πŸ—£οΈ A demagogue is someone who acts as an 'instrument of the people' to gain power, caring more about quantity of support than quality.
  • πŸ’» Trump uses novel techniques like Twitter to bypass traditional media and directly appeal to his supporters.
  • 🀬 Trump's outrageous and insulting rhetoric allows him to seem like he's defying political correctness and telling it 'like it is'.
  • πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ The American political system, with its Constitution and parties, is meant to guard against demagogues and channel ambition productively.
  • πŸ›οΈ Parties represent principles and policies, distinguishing them from purely self-interested factions or demagogues.
  • πŸ‘₯ While the Founders distrusted parties, they gradually became an accepted part of the American system alongside the Constitution.
  • ✍️ Burke defined parties as bodies united by particular principles, distinct from claims of universal truth.
  • πŸ€₯ Trump's willingness to lie and make unsupported claims could be a calculated tactic to keep public attention.
  • ⁉️ There is uncertainty about whether Trump's demagogic tendencies will ultimately overreach or be constrained by American institutions.
Q & A
  • What is the central concept being discussed in this conversation?

    -The central concept being discussed is the notion of Trump as a 'demagogue' and whether his political rise and behavior can be understood through the lens of classical political science and philosophy.

  • What are the key characteristics of a demagogue according to the conversation?

    -The key characteristics of a demagogue discussed are: 1) a love for being loved by the masses without discrimination, 2) a preference for direct popular appeal over doctrine or ideology, 3) holding large rallies to captivate the audience's attention, 4) using insults and outrageous statements to go beyond political correctness and tap into hidden resentments.

  • How does the conversation portray Trump's relationship with the established political system?

    -The conversation portrays Trump as an anti-establishment figure who, paradoxically, has leveraged the existing constitutional system (like the Electoral College) and the party system (winning as a Republican) to achieve his victory, despite his demagogic tendencies.

  • What is the role of political parties according to the discussion?

    -The discussion portrays political parties as representing principles and policies that provide a degree of durability and respectability, as opposed to the fleeting and unprincipled nature of factional demagogues. Parties are seen as a safeguard against demagoguery.

  • How does the conversation analyze Trump's tendency for making false or outrageous claims?

    -The conversation suggests that Trump's willingness to lie and make outrageous claims is a calculated strategy to cause surprise, shock, and maintain an unpredictable persona, allowing him to sidestep the media and appeal directly to his supporters.

  • What is the significance of Trump's appeal to 'American greatness' according to the discussion?

    -The discussion highlights Trump's appeal to 'American greatness' as tapping into the American 'can-do' spirit and ambition, both nationally and personally, aligning with the American desire for visible and tangible achievements over ideological doctrines.

  • How does the conversation compare Trump's approach to that of traditional American politicians?

    -The conversation contrasts Trump's demagogic tendencies with the traditional approach of American politicians, who would often seek to project empathy and a 'common touch' through staged photo-ops and carefully crafted rhetoric, as opposed to Trump's more direct and confrontational style.

  • What role does the concept of 'resentment' play in the discussion of Trump's appeal?

    -The discussion suggests that Trump's outrageous statements and disregard for political correctness tap into the resentment of those who feel excluded from the benefits of political correctness and the perceived preferential treatment of certain minority groups.

  • How does the conversation evaluate the potential dangers or risks associated with Trump's demagogic tendencies?

    -The conversation acknowledges the concern that Trump's demagogic tendencies could lead to overreach or a break from established norms and institutions, but also suggests that the existing constitutional and party systems may serve as checks against such excesses.

  • What is the overall tone of the conversation regarding Trump's political approach?

    -The overall tone of the conversation is one of cautious analysis, attempting to understand Trump's unconventional political approach through the lens of classical political theory, while recognizing the potential risks and uncertainties associated with his demagogic tendencies.

Outlines
00:00
πŸ“œ Trump as a Demagogue

This paragraph introduces the concept of a demagogue, a traditional term used by Plato, Aristotle, and the American founders to describe a political figure who appeals to the masses without concern for principles or quality, seeking only popularity and love from the people. Trump is characterized as a demagogue who loves big rallies, uses tweets to bypass the media, and employs outrageous and shocking statements to appeal to people's hidden resentments and gain attention.

05:02
πŸ—³οΈ Trump's Populist Appeal

The paragraph discusses Trump's populist appeal, which involves appealing to people's resentment against political correctness and bringing out hidden feelings and thoughts. It contrasts Trump's approach with the progressive idea of "change" and protecting vulnerable minorities, suggesting that Trump's appeal lies in his willingness to disregard boundaries and speak directly to the forgotten majority, promising a vague notion of change or "greatness" that resonates with his supporters.

10:04
πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ Trump and the Common Good

This paragraph examines Trump's relationship with the common good and America's national pride. It suggests that progressives have lost sight of the common good in favor of catering to specific minority interests, while Trump's appeal to "Make America Great Again" resonates with those who feel excluded from the benefits of political correctness. It also discusses Clinton's attempt to identify with the public through "I feel your pain," contrasting it with Trump's approach of denouncing injustice and expressing resentment.

15:08
βš–οΈ Trump and the Founders' Vision

The paragraph explores how Trump's approach relates to the American founders' vision for the nation. It discusses the founders' belief in a "can-do" spirit combined with respect for individual rights and the Constitution's role in balancing these two principles. It suggests that Trump appeals to the democratic impatience of the people while also highlighting the role of elites in protecting rights and slowing down the process, potentially challenging the founders' vision of a stable and effectual republic.

20:10
πŸ›οΈ The Constitution and Ambitious Individuals

This paragraph discusses how the Constitution was designed to channel the ambition of individuals like Trump toward the common good, while also checking their power through the separation of powers and the ambition of others. It suggests that American politics is defined by the "politics of contentious ambition" played out before the people, and that the Constitution aimed to enable outstanding individuals to contribute positively rather than being dismissed or exiled.

25:11
πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ Political Parties and Principles

The paragraph explores the role of political parties in upholding principles and lasting policies, contrasting them with the fleeting nature of demagogues and factions. It discusses the difficulty political scientists face in distinguishing between parties and factions due to their value-neutral methodology, and how parties are seen as serving a function in organizing opinion and enabling majority governance, even if the precise definition of a party remains vague.

30:12
πŸ—³οΈ The Nature of Political Parties

This paragraph delves deeper into the nature of political parties, tracing their origins to Edmund Burke's idea of a body united by particular principles, in contrast to the Founders' initial reluctance to embrace parties. It discusses the shift from viewing parties as conspiracies to recognizing their legitimacy and how the concept of "principle" has evolved to signify acting against one's interests for a higher cause, something parties are expected to uphold.

35:17
πŸ€₯ Trump and the Party System

The paragraph examines Trump's relationship with the party system and the Constitution, noting that despite his anti-establishment persona, he owes his victory to the electoral college and Republican support. It suggests that Trump's claims about the popular vote may stem from his dislike of being obligated to these establishments. It also discusses Trump's tendency to lie unnecessarily, which may be a calculated strategy to cause surprise and remain unpredictable, even if it risks overreach.

40:18
πŸ” Reflecting on Trump's Demagogic Tendencies

In this concluding paragraph, the participants reflect on Trump's demagogic tendencies, such as his willingness to lie and make false claims, and the potential risks and advantages of this approach. They acknowledge the difficulty in predicting whether Trump's strategies will ultimately work in his favor or lead to overreach, and the need to observe how events unfold over time.

Mindmap
Keywords
πŸ’‘Demagogue
A demagogue is a political leader who seeks power by appealing to people's emotions, prejudices, and fears rather than using rational arguments or principles. In the video, demagogue is presented as a classical term used by Plato, Aristotle, and the American founders to describe politicians who manipulate and mislead the public for their own gain. The video suggests that Trump exhibits demagogic tendencies, such as his love for rallies, use of tweets to bypass the media, and his willingness to be 'outrageous' and violate boundaries of political correctness.
πŸ’‘Populism
Populism is a political approach that appeals to the interests and concerns of ordinary people, often in opposition to the elite or establishment. The video discusses populism as an 'ism' associated with Trump and his policies, such as his stance on immigration and free trade. Populism is described as a way of 'rationalizing the irrational' and making it respectable, bringing out the hidden resentments and feelings of the public.
πŸ’‘Political Correctness
Political correctness refers to the avoidance of language or actions that could be perceived as excluding, marginalizing, or insulting groups identified by characteristics such as race, gender, or sexual orientation. The video suggests that Trump's appeal lies in his willingness to violate norms of political correctness, which are seen as causing resentment among those who feel excluded from its benefits. Trump is portrayed as giving voice to thoughts and feelings that have been hidden or suppressed by political correctness.
πŸ’‘Resentment
Resentment is a feeling of anger or bitterness towards someone or something perceived as the cause of insult or mistreatment. The video discusses how Trump appeals to the resentments of certain segments of the population, particularly those who feel excluded from the benefits of political correctness or the 'protected lists' of minority groups. Trump is seen as giving expression to these resentments and bringing them out into the open.
πŸ’‘Constitutional System
The constitutional system refers to the system of government and the distribution of powers established by a country's constitution. In the context of the video, the constitutional system is discussed as a means of accommodating or constraining a figure like Trump, through mechanisms such as the Electoral College, the separation of powers, and the role of Congress and the judiciary. The video suggests that Trump, despite his anti-establishment image, is ultimately accommodated by the constitutional system and the party system.
πŸ’‘Party System
The party system refers to the organization and operation of political parties within a democratic system. The video contrasts political parties, which stand for principles and policies, with demagogues and factions that lack such principles. It discusses how political scientists view parties as serving a function in organizing public opinion and enabling majority governance, while also recognizing the historical suspicion towards parties as potential conspiracies. The video suggests that Trump, despite his populist rhetoric, is ultimately accommodated by the Republican Party.
πŸ’‘Ambition
Ambition is a strong desire for success, achievement, or distinction. The video portrays ambition as a defining characteristic of American politics, with ambitious individuals seeking approval and prominence before the public. It suggests that the Constitution aimed to channel ambition towards the common good, allowing ambitious figures like Trump to contribute while also being checked by other powers and ambitious individuals.
πŸ’‘Common Good
The common good refers to the collective well-being or interests of a community or society as a whole. The video contrasts demagogues, who appeal to particular interests or resentments, with the idea of pursuing the common good. The Federalists and the Constitution are portrayed as aiming to enable the pursuit of the common good, while also allowing for the expression of ambition and particular principles through the party system.
πŸ’‘Rationality
Rationality refers to the quality of being based on reason, logic, and objective analysis rather than emotions or irrational factors. The video presents Trump's appeal as being rooted in the 'irrational' or the expression of feelings and resentments that have been suppressed by political correctness or rationality. It contrasts this with the classical political philosophers and the American founders, who valued rationality and principles over mere emotions or populist appeals.
πŸ’‘Conventional Wisdom
Conventional wisdom refers to the generally accepted or prevailing beliefs, attitudes, or opinions within a particular context or society. The video suggests that Trump's success and appeal challenged conventional wisdom, as most respectable or establishment opinions did not expect him to win. It portrays Trump as defying conventional wisdom through his willingness to be 'outrageous' and violate established norms or boundaries.
Highlights

Demagogue is a traditional term referring to an actor for the people, unclear whether the demagogue is the instrument of the people or the people are the instrument of the demagogue.

Demagogues are characterized by loving to be loved without discrimination, preferring quantity over quality of supporters.

Trump employs three demagogic techniques: big rallies with direct appeal, tweets to sidestep media, and being outrageous by violating boundaries of political correctness.

Trump appeals to what is hidden, giving formulation to resentments against political correctness.

The status quo turns out to be the people who are believed when they talk about change, even though they don't really believe in it.

Trump is associated with ideas like immigration, free trade, pulling back from nation-building and neoconservatism, but he may not stick to them.

The Founders set up the Constitution against demagogues, aiming to prevent majority factions acting against rights or the common good.

American politics is defined as the politics of contentious ambition in front of the people and for their approval.

Trump is the first president without prior government office, unprecedented in winning the nomination and election as a demagogue.

Political parties stand for principles and have a durability that a demagogue lacks, helping to distinguish between a party and a faction.

The Founders stumbled into becoming a party without wanting to, as parties were seen as conspiracies initially.

Burke defined party as a body united on some particular principle, leading to today's notion of being "principled" by acting against self-interest.

Trump accommodates the constitutional system and party system, making establishment appointments despite being an anti-establishment figure.

Trump lies unnecessarily and unpredictably, causing surprise and appearing indifferent to complaints, as part of his demagogic approach.

There is a chance Trump will overreach at some point with his willingness to shock and say untrue things, but his approach should not be underestimated.

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