Jordan Peterson: The radical Left is guilt-tripping the West into oblivion
TLDRIn this profound conversation, Dr. Jordan Peterson delves into the dynamics of totalitarian systems, the culture war, and the essence of individual responsibility. He argues that totalitarian regimes are governed by lies rather than tyrants, emphasizing the importance of truth in combating authoritarianism. Discussing the right's struggle in the culture war, Peterson highlights their lack of a compelling narrative and poor strategic planning, particularly in education. He also explores the role of Soviet dissidents and the power of individual truth-telling in challenging oppressive systems. The discussion further touches on the impact of 'debunking' in democracies and the enduring lessons from 20th-century dissidents on facing tyranny with truth and faith.
Takeaways
- π The political right lacks vision and fails to articulate principles to young people.
- π‘ Totalitarian states are ruled by lies that everyone participates in, not just a tyrant.
- βοΈ Truth-tellers can bring down tyranny, but most people find it easier not to resist.
- π€ Soviet dissidents found meaning by taking responsibility rather than playing the victim.
- π Great individuals still move society forward, though today's politicians seem mediocre.
- π Social media provides information without end that can be destabilizing if uncontrolled.
- π Suffering can provide wisdom if responded to properly, but doesn't justify itself.
- π Obsession with injustice makes fixing problems harder; balance is necessary.
- π Judeo-Christian ideals translated into English common law and parliamentary democracy.
- π The UK pioneered anti-slavery and responsible empire; it shouldn't negate achievements.
Q & A
What does Dr. Peterson mean when he says the right lacks vision and doesn't have a compelling story to tell young people?
-He means conservative thinkers tend to focus on practical issues rather than articulating an inspiring ideological vision. They play defense rather than offense in the culture war.
How does Dr. Peterson explain why many Jewish people in the Soviet Union were attracted to communism?
-He says communism offered the vision of universal brotherhood and equality, which appealed to the compassionate ideals of some Jewish people, even if its actual policies led to disaster.
What is the central lesson from the story of Jonah that Dr. Peterson discusses?
-The lesson is that refusing to speak the truth you know, even if it's inconvenient or risky, can put not only yourself but others in grave danger. Truth is a solemn responsibility.
What does Dr. Peterson mean when he says a totalitarian state is ruled by the lie?
-He means everyone is complicit in maintaining the regime's propaganda and deception, either actively spreading lies or self-censoring. The lie infects all aspects of society.
Why does Dr. Peterson say most interactions he has in public are positive despite the online hatred against him?
-He says the vast majority of people who approach him politely share how his work has helped them. The toxicity is mostly confined to a small number of critics online.
How did Dr. Peterson's life change after he spoke out against Canadian Bill C-16?
-He lost his professorship and clinical practice, faced persistent legal harassment, and endured many reputation attacks in the media - but also reached a vastly bigger audience through online videos and books.
What does Dr. Peterson say is the advantage of welcoming attacks against oneself?
-It lets you test and strengthen your attitude toward adversity - to bear tragedy with faith and hope rather than descending into bitterness, resentment, and viewing yourself as just a helpless victim.
Why does Dr. Peterson say it's crucial not to lie about what you believe is true?
-Lying muddies your thinking and vision, making you unable to discern the truth and abide by it when facing challenges that demand ethical courage and wisdom.
How does Dr. Peterson explain the unique achievements of British culture and politics?
-He says Britain did the most to systemically translate Judeo-Christian principles like conscience and bottom-up common law into its parliamentary system and policies.
What does Dr. Peterson see as the split between the American and French Revolutions?
-The American Revolution affirmed ancient English liberties passed down over centuries. The French Revolution reflected top-down rationalist pretensions to reinvent society.
Outlines
π Introduction and critique of conservatives lacking vision and playing defense
The paragraph introduces the host Stephen Edgington and guest Dr. Jordan Peterson. They discuss whether the right has lost the culture war due to lacking vision and playing defense while the psychopathic leftists are skilled at hoisting them on the petard of guilt.
π How leftists falsely self-victimize to justify censorship and malign reputations
The paragraph discusses how leftists use techniques like censorship, reputation destruction and gossip to unfairly victimize others, while hypocritically complaining about Russian election interference. They are unable to articulate when the left goes too far.
π Solzhenitzen taking responsibility for his fate rather than playing the victim
The paragraph praises Solzhenitsyn for taking responsibility for his gulag imprisonment rather than solely blaming Hitler and Stalin. He observed that religious prisoners behaved nobly and prisoners were enslaved by their own slavishness, making him reflect on his own life's role.
π€¨ Education system gripped by delusion that authoritarianism is purely right-wing
The paragraph suggests the Western education system has wrongly viewed authoritarianism as solely right-wing since WW2, failing to acknowledge leftist tyrants like Stalin, Lenin and Mao. This delusion attracts some to communism's false promises like universal brotherhood.
π The totalitarian lie rules by corrupting everyone through ubiquitous falsehoods
The paragraph argues that in a totalitarian state, tyranny is enforced through lies permeating all levels of society, not just top-down oppression. Everyone is complicit through lying, silence or pretending to work, as illustrated by the Biblical story of Jonah and Nineveh.
π Heroic dissidence sparked by eternal mystery of moral courage
The paragraph ponders the eternal mystery of moral courage that compels heroic dissidence, as shown by Sophie Scholl and other White Rose student resisters in Nazi Germany. The causal pathway is complex, but some people still choose truth despite brutalization.
π Free societies dependent on everyone embracing truth-speaking dissidence
The paragraph suggests free societies rely on universal truth-telling dissidence in people's trivial interactions. Judeo-Christian reverence for truth as the highest principle may be a necessary precondition for this, without which freedom decays.
π Trucker protests and social media rupturing political bubbles of appearance
The paragraph discusses how long-form political dialogues and new media are gaining over soundbite-driven legacy media. This shift beyond appearance and contentlessness may reward authenticity, as the trucker protests also showed in pressuring conservatives.
π Mutual inspiration between host and Peterson despite online harassment
The paragraph has Peterson reflecting that despite online attacks, his worldwide public encounters are overwhelmingly positive. Many share stories of recovery and growth through his advice on responsibility. This indicates his work's impact in improving lives.
π€ Biblical warning against middle-ground fence-sitting cowardice
The paragraph analyzes the Biblical warning in Revelation against trying to play both sides or sit on the fence, which is the worst moral position. Peterson argues truth and lies are fundamental moral opposites - we must have faith in one or the other.
π Utopian slogans falsely legitimize leftist powermongering
The paragraph critiques the left's utopian slogans that promise equality and brotherhood but serve as cover for pursuit of power. Their arguments about capitalism's flaws evade the fact that power centralization occurs in every economic system.
π€ Long-form new media selecting for authenticity over appearance
The paragraph suggests that long-form political dialogues in new media select more for authenticity while legacy television stressed appearance and soundbites. This change may explain the rise of less impressive but potentially more genuine leaders.
π Harrowing early years defending truth nearly destabilizing
The paragraph has Peterson recounting the harrowing early years of frequent scandals and media attacks trying to destroy his reputation. However, the family learned that weathering intermediary chaos results in vindication, making threats less worrisome.
π Compelled to speak truth despite government threats
The paragraph has Peterson explaining he speaks openly despite government threats because falsehood is more dangerous than anything authorities can do. Having seen lies corrupt clinical patients and society, truth is the only reliable path forward personally and politically.
π Free speech constraints creating complex moral dilemmas
The paragraph discusses situations where moral dilemmas arise in balancing speech versus livelihood/duty, e.g. a teacher fearing school board retaliation. Peterson advises ceasing lies to clarify vision enough to judge the best moral action per situation.
π Twitter's endless personalized news risks information chaos
The paragraph has Peterson reflecting on struggles managing the endless personalized news stimulation from Twitter that he relies on for his podcast. He observes that unlimited information approaches chaos, requiring skillful regulation.
π Inspiring global tour shows ideas improving lives
The paragraph mentions Peterson's sold-out live shows reaching hundreds of thousands globally. Their positive testimonies confirm his ideas on responsibility have widespread resonance and real personal impact in helping people improve their lives.
π¬π§ Gratitude and warning for UK forgetting its governance gifts
The closing paragraph lauds Britain's parliamentary translation of Biblical principles into policy as unique and admirable, while warning against self-negating guilt. The empire had emancipatory intentions, gifting Britain's tradition of governance globally.
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Keywords
π‘dissident
π‘truth
π‘malevolence
π‘tyranny
π‘censorship
π‘complicity
π‘conscience
π‘faith
π‘justice
π‘history
Highlights
Totalitarian systems are ruled by the LIE, not a singular top-down tyrant. Everyone who lies is complicit.
The right lacks vision and a compelling story for young people. Conservatives are conscientious and easily hoisted on the petard of guilt by psychopathic leftists.
One man who doesn't lie can bring down a tyranny. That's how you bring down any tyranny - by telling the truth.
A totalitarian state isn't freedom-loving masses oppressed by Stalin. It's every person lying about everything to themselves and loved ones 100% of the time.
Your attitude towards tragedy should be to bear it with hope. Construing yourself as a helpless victim and becoming resentful and murderous turns tragedy to hell.
I'm more struck by the depths of malevolent stupidity possible. The comical malevolence is a never-ending source of surreal amazement.
The French Revolution manifests the spirit of Cain - resentful intellect and overweening intellectual pretension. It degenerated into luciferian presumption.
The Brits did the most effective job translating the Judeo-Christian biblical corpus into policy, notably in English common law. It's a complete bloody miracle.
A wise person would have faith in truth. You can't orient yourself in the world with a false map.
Comedians can still tell the truth even under tyranny. If 10 people do so, there's hope. If none, you're in hell and fire and brimstone will rain down.
Soviet joke: "We pretend to work, they pretend to pay us." The totalitarian lie isn't freedom-loving masses versus Stalin, but every single person lying to themselves and loved ones 100% of the time.
Why be responsible? Because it's meaningful. You'll suffer, so you need something to rely on when storms come.
Mental health isn't just internal and subjective but the harmonious balancing of relationships to yourself and others. It's the harmony that's the health.
Too much information is indistinguishable from chaos and can destabilize you. Conservatives limit information while liberals seek more, to their detriment.
The individual is the right conceptual level for analysis. Start by fixing yourself before politics or you'll just be a tool of ideology or ego.
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