Stalin: Waiting for Hitler, 1929-1941

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TLDRThe seminar, co-chaired by Eric Arneson and Philippa Strom, features historian Stephen Kotkin discussing his extensive research on Joseph Stalin. Kotkin explores Stalin's complex personality, geopolitical strategies, and critical events like the Hitler-Stalin Pact and the Finnish War. He challenges common perceptions of Stalin as merely a cynical or opportunistic leader, emphasizing his ideological motivations and strategic calculations. The session includes insights into Stalin's interactions with other world powers, his personal traits, and the broader historical context of his reign. Questions from the audience further delve into Stalin's relationships with figures like Hitler and Roosevelt.

Takeaways
  • 📜 The Washington History Seminar is a joint venture between the Woodrow Wilson Center's History and Public Policy Program and the American Historical Association's National History Center.
  • 🎓 Today's seminar features Stephen Kotkin, a historian from Princeton University, known for his extensive work on Stalin and Soviet history.
  • 📚 Kotkin's book 'Stalin: Waiting for Hitler, 1929-1941' explores Stalin's life and policies during a critical period in Soviet history.
  • 📝 The book emphasizes Stalin's human characteristics, including his love for gardening and colored pencils, to paint a complex picture of his personality.
  • 🌍 Kotkin argues that Stalin was a shrewd and strategic thinker, not a mere mediocrity or a simplistic monster.
  • 💡 Stalin's ideology and foreign policy were driven by Marxist-Leninist principles and aimed to prevent a united anti-Soviet coalition among capitalist powers.
  • 🛡️ The Hitler-Stalin Pact of 1939 is seen as a strategic move by Stalin to pit capitalist powers against each other, rather than out of trust in Hitler.
  • 🕵️ Stalin was deeply suspicious and did not trust Hitler, as evidenced by his cautious actions during the early stages of World War II.
  • 🇫🇮 The Winter War with Finland (1939-1940) highlighted Stalin's negotiation tactics and his lack of credibility as a negotiator.
  • 📈 Kotkin's research suggests that Stalin's political experience and the process of building and maintaining a dictatorship significantly shaped his personality and actions, rather than his childhood experiences.
Q & A
  • What is the Washington History Seminar?

    -The Washington History Seminar is a joint venture between the Woodrow Wilson Center's History and Public Policy Program and the American Historical Association's National History Center.

  • Who are the co-chairs of the Washington History Seminar session mentioned in the transcript?

    -The co-chairs are Eric Arneson from George Washington University and Philippa Strom representing the Woodrow Wilson Center.

  • What is the main role of Pete Bierstecker and Amanda Perry in the seminar?

    -Pete Bierstecker and Amanda Perry work behind the scenes to ensure the logistics of the seminars are handled smoothly.

  • Which organizations support the Washington History Seminar?

    -The seminar is supported by the Society for Historians of American Foreign Relations, George Washington University Department of History, and for the mentioned session, the Kennan Institute of the Wilson Center.

  • Who is the guest speaker introduced by Philippa Strom, and what are his notable works?

    -The guest speaker is Stephen Kotkin, a professor at Princeton University. His notable works include 'Steeltown USSR,' 'Soviet Society in the Gorbachev Era,' 'Magnetic Mountain,' 'Armageddon Averted,' and 'Stalin: Paradoxes of Power, 1878-1928.'

  • What is the focus of Stephen Kotkin's book 'Stalin: Paradoxes of Power, 1878-1928'?

    -The book focuses on Stalin's early life and the paradoxes of his rise to power, exploring how he managed to consolidate his position within the Soviet Union.

  • What does Stephen Kotkin say about the portrayal of Stalin in history?

    -Kotkin argues that Stalin should not be dismissed as a mediocrity or merely seen as a genius. Instead, he was a supremely intelligent yet blinkered individual, with a combination of primitive categories of thought and shrewdness about people's characters.

  • What is the main geopolitical strategy outlined by Stalin in 'Socialism in One Country'?

    -Stalin's strategy in 'Socialism in One Country' was to prevent the formation of an anti-Soviet capitalist coalition by driving a wedge between capitalist countries, hoping that another world war among them might lead to socialist revolutions in those countries.

  • How does Kotkin describe the relationship between Stalin and Hitler before the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact?

    -Kotkin describes the relationship as one of mutual distrust. Stalin aimed to keep the Germans apart from the French and British to prevent a coalition against the Soviet Union. The pact was a strategic move for both, but each remained wary of the other's intentions.

  • What significant event does Kotkin use to illustrate Stalin's approach to foreign policy?

    -Kotkin uses the Finnish War (Winter War) of 1939-40 to illustrate Stalin's approach. Despite initial negotiations, Stalin ultimately decided to attack Finland after failing to reach an agreement, demonstrating his willingness to use force when negotiations did not achieve his goals.

  • How did Stalin's background influence his rise to power, according to Kotkin?

    -Kotkin argues that Stalin's rise to power was not solely due to his background or early experiences but rather the process of building and exercising power as a dictator. This experience shaped his personality and capabilities.

  • What does Kotkin say about the idea of Stalin's childhood shaping his dictatorship?

    -Kotkin contends that Stalin's childhood was relatively normal and that the significant experiences that shaped him occurred during his rise to power and exercise of dictatorship, rather than his early life experiences.

  • What is the significance of the popular front in Soviet foreign policy, according to Kotkin?

    -Kotkin argues that the popular front, which aimed to create anti-fascist coalitions, was not deeply rooted in Stalin's ideology. Instead, Stalin prioritized dividing capitalist powers to prevent a unified front against the Soviet Union.

  • How does Kotkin describe Stalin's negotiating style during the Finnish War?

    -Kotkin describes Stalin as a sincere negotiator in his own style, willing to make concessions. However, the Finns did not believe his sincerity, which ultimately led to the failure of negotiations and the subsequent Soviet invasion.

  • What was the outcome of the Finnish War for Stalin's military strategy?

    -Stalin initially interfered with the military strategy, leading to early failures. After returning to the original plan of concentrating forces, the Soviet Union won the war decisively. However, Stalin learned lessons about his credibility and negotiating approach.

  • How did international observers interpret the Finnish War?

    -International observers, including British and German military intelligence, misinterpreted the Red Army's capabilities based on the Finnish War. Only Mannerheim, the Finnish commander, accurately assessed the Red Army's strengths and weaknesses.

  • What are some key insights Kotkin offers about the nature of Stalin's dictatorship?

    -Kotkin emphasizes that Stalin's dictatorship was a complex creation requiring immense skill and aptitude. He suggests that Stalin's personality was shaped by the experience of accumulating and exercising power rather than early life experiences.

Outlines
00:00
📜 Introduction to the Washington History Seminar

Eric Arneson from George Washington University opens the session of the Washington History Seminar, co-chaired by Philippa Strom from the Woodrow Wilson Center. The seminar is a joint venture between the Woodrow Wilson Center's History and Public Policy Program and the American Historical Association's National History Center. Arneson thanks various sponsors, including the Society for Historians of American Foreign Relations, George Washington University's History Department, and the Kennan Institute. He then hands over to Philippa Strom, who introduces the speaker, Stephen Kotkin, detailing his extensive academic background and notable publications.

05:01
📖 Stephen Kotkin's Introduction and Focus

Stephen Kotkin is introduced as a renowned historian from Princeton University, author of numerous books including a trilogy on Stalin. The first volume, 'Stalin: Paradoxes of Power, 1878-1928,' was a Pulitzer Prize finalist. Kotkin humorously begins by acknowledging the complexity of discussing his extensive book 'Stalin: Waiting for Hitler, 1929-1941' in a short talk. He outlines his plan to cover a few key aspects, focusing first on the personal characteristics and ideological convictions of Stalin.

10:02
🧠 Understanding Stalin's Character

Kotkin discusses the challenge of portraying figures like Stalin, who are often dismissed as either mediocre or portrayed as evil geniuses. He emphasizes that Stalin was neither mediocre nor a genius but was complex, shrewd, and ideological. He highlights Stalin's personal quirks, such as his love for gardening, saunas, and colored pencils, as well as his meticulous habits. Kotkin aims to humanize Stalin to better understand the roots of his actions, which makes his evil deeds more complex and compelling.

15:02
🌍 Stalin's Geopolitical Strategies

Kotkin shifts to discuss Stalin's foreign policy and geopolitical strategies. He explains the interwar period's complexities, noting how the Versailles Treaty created an anomalous situation with Germany and Russia both being weak. Stalin's foreign policy aimed to prevent a unified capitalist front against the Soviet Union by driving wedges between capitalist powers. This strategy was evident in Stalin's maneuvering during the Rapallo Treaty and other diplomatic efforts.

20:04
🛡️ Soviet-British Geopolitical Dynamics

Kotkin elaborates on the British efforts to revise the Versailles Treaty to stabilize Europe and include Germany and possibly the Soviet Union in a post-war settlement. He contrasts this with Stalin's consistent strategy to keep capitalist powers divided to avoid an anti-Soviet coalition. He describes how Stalin's policies were driven by a blend of ideological and pragmatic considerations, aimed at preserving the Soviet Union's security and promoting potential revolutions in other countries.

25:05
📝 The Hitler-Stalin Pact

Focusing on the Hitler-Stalin Pact, Kotkin argues that the pact was a strategic move by Stalin to prevent a unified capitalist front against the Soviet Union. He recounts how Stalin navigated the complex negotiations and initial mistrust, using the example of the German forces crossing into Soviet-claimed Polish territory to illustrate the tensions and Stalin's strategic responses. He emphasizes that Stalin never trusted Hitler, viewing the pact as a temporary measure to gain time and resources.

30:07
💥 Tensions and Trust Issues in the Hitler-Stalin Pact

Kotkin continues with the intricate details of the Hitler-Stalin Pact, highlighting incidents where mistrust was evident, such as the German forces encroaching on Soviet territory. He explains how Stalin's strategic moves, like sending the Red Army to reclaim territory, demonstrated his awareness of potential German duplicity. This part of the pact narrative underscores the fraught nature of Soviet-German relations despite the formal agreement.

35:09
🔍 Analyzing the Geopolitical Realities

Kotkin delves into the real history behind the Hitler-Stalin Pact, debunking myths that Stalin trusted Hitler. He describes the strategic and cautious approach Stalin took, including his response to German forces overstepping agreed boundaries. This section highlights the ongoing tension and strategic maneuvering that defined Soviet-German interactions during the pact's implementation.

40:12
📜 Chamberlain's Dilemma and the Cold War

Kotkin discusses British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain's perspective on dealing with Stalin, emphasizing Chamberlain's concern about the long-term consequences of allying with the Soviet Union against Hitler. This concern foreshadowed the Cold War dynamics, where the post-war world saw significant Soviet influence in Central Europe. Kotkin uses this to illustrate the complex decisions faced by world leaders in balancing immediate threats with future geopolitical stability.

45:13
⚔️ The Winter War with Finland

Kotkin examines the Winter War between the Soviet Union and Finland, detailing Stalin's attempts to negotiate territorial adjustments for security reasons. He highlights Stalin's unexpected willingness to negotiate and make concessions, contrasting it with Finnish distrust and constitutional limitations. The war is portrayed as a significant episode that tested Stalin's strategic thinking and revealed the complexities of Soviet-Finnish relations.

50:16
🎖️ Stalin's Military Miscalculations

Kotkin explores the military aspects of the Winter War, emphasizing Stalin's initial miscalculations and the Red Army's poor performance due to flawed strategies. He recounts how Stalin's personal interventions negatively impacted the Soviet military plans and the eventual adjustments that led to Soviet victory. This section underscores Stalin's limitations as a military leader and the significant human cost of his strategic errors.

55:17
🔍 Analyzing Stalin's Dictatorial Skillset

Kotkin concludes with a broader analysis of Stalin's dictatorship, arguing that Stalin's political experience and the process of accumulating power shaped his personality and actions. He refutes simplistic explanations that attribute Stalin's behavior to early life experiences, instead highlighting the sophisticated and brutal nature of his governance. Kotkin's analysis provides a comprehensive understanding of the factors that molded Stalin into a formidable dictator.

00:18
🇺🇸 Stalin's View of the United States

In response to a question, Kotkin discusses Stalin's perception of the United States. He notes Stalin's admiration for American industrial power and modernity, as well as his strategic interest in technology transfer. Kotkin explains how Stalin's attempts to engage with the U.S. were driven by both economic and geopolitical considerations, including the need to balance against Japanese expansion in East Asia.

05:19
🔄 The Dynamics of the Hitler-Stalin Relationship

Responding to another question, Kotkin elaborates on the mutual distrust between Hitler and Stalin. He details the strategic calculations that led to the Hitler-Stalin Pact and the subsequent actions by both leaders that reflected their opportunistic and tactical approaches. Kotkin emphasizes the temporary and fragile nature of the pact, driven by immediate strategic needs rather than genuine trust or long-term alliance.

10:20
🧩 Ideology vs. Opportunism in Stalin's Policies

Addressing a query on the Popular Front, Kotkin explains how Stalin's commitment to Marxist-Leninist ideology influenced his geopolitical strategies. He argues that Stalin viewed the Popular Front more as a tactical maneuver rather than a genuine ideological shift. Kotkin highlights the inherent tensions within the leftist movements and Stalin's pragmatic approach to exploiting these divisions while maintaining his broader ideological goals.

15:21
📚 Notable Works on Stalin

In response to a bibliographical question, Kotkin recommends several key works on Stalin, both from Western and Russian scholars. He highlights the contributions of authors like Montefiore, Ostrovsky, and others who have provided valuable insights into Stalin's life and regime. Kotkin also acknowledges the evolving nature of research on Stalin, with new documents and perspectives continually enriching the field.

20:22
🔍 The Influence of Stalin's Early Life

Kotkin addresses the impact of Stalin's early life on his later behavior, arguing against simplistic explanations that focus on childhood trauma or mistreatment. He emphasizes that Stalin's actions as a dictator were shaped more by his political experiences and the demands of maintaining power. Kotkin's analysis challenges the notion that early life experiences alone can explain the complexities of Stalin's character and actions.

25:22
📜 The Evolution of Stalin's Dictatorship

Kotkin summarizes his argument that Stalin's personality and actions were largely shaped by the process of building and maintaining his dictatorship. He emphasizes the sophisticated and often brutal methods Stalin used to consolidate power and manage the Soviet state. This concluding section reinforces the idea that Stalin's dictatorship was a complex and evolving system influenced by various political and personal factors.

🇺🇸 Stalin and Roosevelt: An Overview

Kotkin briefly touches on the relationship between Stalin and Roosevelt, hinting at the complexities that will be covered in his forthcoming volume. He suggests that Stalin's respect for Roosevelt was influenced by the perceived power and modernity of the United States, and the potential for strategic cooperation against common enemies like Nazi Germany and Japan. Kotkin promises a more detailed exploration of this topic in his next book.

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Keywords
💡Washington History Seminar
The Washington History Seminar is a long-standing joint venture between the Woodrow Wilson Center and the American Historical Association's National History Center. It serves as a platform for discussions on historical topics, and today's session is introduced by Eric Arneson and Philippa Strom.
💡Eric Arneson
Eric Arneson is from George Washington University and serves as a co-chair for the Washington History Seminar. He introduces the seminar and thanks sponsors and participants, setting the stage for the discussion.
💡Stephen Kotkin
Stephen Kotkin is the featured speaker, a professor of history and international affairs at Princeton University. He is known for his extensive work on Soviet history, including his biographies of Joseph Stalin. His presentation focuses on the complex character and geopolitical strategies of Stalin.
💡Stalin
Joseph Stalin was the leader of the Soviet Union from the mid-1920s until his death in 1953. Kotkin's talk delves into Stalin's personality, his strategies, and his impact on both Soviet and global history, particularly through the lens of his geopolitical maneuvers and the infamous Stalin-Hitler pact.
💡Versailles Treaty
The Versailles Treaty was the peace treaty that ended World War I, often criticized for being too punitive towards Germany. Kotkin discusses its implications, particularly how it set the stage for future conflicts and shaped the geopolitical landscape that Stalin navigated.
💡Socialism in One Country
A concept developed by Stalin in the mid-1920s, arguing that the Soviet Union should focus on building socialism within its own borders rather than waiting for worldwide revolution. This theory influenced Stalin's foreign and domestic policies significantly.
💡Geopolitics
The study of the effects of geography (human and physical) on international politics. Kotkin explains how Stalin's geopolitical strategies were aimed at preventing a coalition of capitalist countries against the Soviet Union by exploiting divisions among them.
💡Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact
A non-aggression treaty between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union signed in August 1939. Kotkin discusses how this pact was a strategic move by Stalin to avoid a two-front war and to buy time for the Soviet Union, despite eventual hostilities.
💡Finnish Winter War
A conflict between the Soviet Union and Finland from 1939 to 1940. Kotkin describes how Stalin's mismanagement initially led to Soviet failures, but eventually the Soviet military prevailed. This war demonstrated both Stalin's strategic thinking and his ruthless pursuit of security for the Soviet state.
💡Ideological Motivations
Kotkin emphasizes that Stalin's actions were driven by deeply held Marxist-Leninist beliefs, not just by opportunism. These ideological motivations were evident in his approach to both internal policies and international relations.
Highlights

Introduction to the Washington History Seminar by Eric Arneson and Philippa Strom.

Acknowledgment of sponsors including the Society for Historians of American Foreign Relations and George Washington University Department of History.

Introduction of Stephen Kotkin, the speaker, by Philippa Strom, highlighting his credentials and notable works.

Stephen Kotkin's presentation of his book 'Stalin: Waiting for Hitler, 1929-1941,' which is the second volume of his trilogy on Stalin.

Kotkin discusses the complexity of understanding Stalin's personality and actions, emphasizing the need to avoid simplistic labels like 'mediocrity' or 'genius.'

Stalin's combination of shrewdness and primitive ideological categories like imperialism and class struggle.

Stalin's personal traits and habits, such as his love for gardening and using colored pencils.

Stalin's difficulty walking and the impact of his physical limitations on his behavior.

Discussion of Stalin's geopolitical strategy to prevent a unified capitalist coalition against the Soviet Union by driving wedges between potential allies.

Detailed analysis of the Hitler-Stalin pact and the strategic maneuvering involved.

The impact of the Versailles Treaty and its eventual unenforceability due to the resurgence of Germany and Russia as great powers.

Stalin's ideological drive for a world revolution and his strategic manipulation of capitalist conflicts to protect the Soviet Union.

Insight into Stalin's negotiations during the Finnish War and his unexpected concessions.

The failure of the Popular Front due to ideological conflicts between communists and socialists.

Stalin's interactions with Roosevelt and the United States, including efforts to establish diplomatic relations and address the Japanese threat.

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