Debunking Joseph Smith's Fake Affair with FANNY ALGER! (feat. Don Bradley)
TLDRThe transcript revolves around a deep discussion on the historical narrative of Fanny Alger and Joseph Smith, focusing on the alleged relationship between them. The conversation aims to debunk myths and clarify facts, suggesting that contrary to popular belief, the relationship was likely a form of polygamy rather than an affair. The participants delve into primary sources, including Oliver Cowdery's letters, to argue that the term 'affair' is a misquote and that the original word used was 'scrape,' implying a difficult situation. They also discuss the ethical implications of Joseph Smith's public denial of polygamy while practicing it secretly. The dialogue challenges the audience to reconsider the widely held views on this aspect of Mormon history and invites further scrutiny of the evidence.
Takeaways
- ๐ The popular narrative about Fanny Alger being involved in an affair with Joseph Smith has been questioned, with evidence suggesting it may have been a case of polygamy instead.
- ๐ Historian Don Bradley, author of 'The Lost 116 Pages', has conducted extensive research on Joseph Smith and polygamy, including the relationship with Fanny Alger.
- ๐ A letter by Oliver Cowdery, often cited as evidence of an affair, was found to have the word 'Affair' written over another word, 'scrape', which changes the context of the accusation.
- ๐ต๏ธโโ๏ธ The term 'scrape' was a slang term of the time, indicating a difficult or distressing situation, rather than an extramarital relationship.
- โ๏ธ The original word 'scrape' in Cowdery's letter was replaced by Cowdery's nephew with 'Affair' to make it sound more educated and less vulgar.
- ๐๏ธ The timeline of events is crucial to understanding the context of Joseph Smith's relationship with Fanny Alger, with the relationship likely occurring in 1836 when Fanny was 18, not 1833 when she was 15.
- ๐ค Emma Smith's public denial of Joseph's polygamy, despite private evidence to the contrary, raises questions about the secrecy surrounding polygamy and the public image of the Church.
- ๐ The public perception of Joseph Smith's honesty has been challenged due to the discrepancy between his public denial of polygamy and the private practice of it.
- ๐ Research by various historians, despite differing opinions on Joseph Smith's character and the morality of polygamy, converge on the conclusion that his relationship with Fanny Alger was likely a form of polygamy.
- ๐๏ธ The High Council of the Church, according to some accounts, was privately informed about the polygamous nature of the relationship, which influenced their decision in the matter.
- ๐ซ The practice of polygamy was kept secret by Joseph Smith and his followers, making it difficult for historians to provide a complete and definitive account of the events.
Q & A
What is the popular narrative about Fanny Alger that is often discussed in anti-Mormon contexts?
-The popular narrative often discussed in anti-Mormon contexts is that Fanny Alger was involved in an affair with Joseph Smith, which is sometimes misrepresented as his first polygamous marriage.
What does the term 'esoteric' imply in the context of Joseph Smith's approach to knowledge and truth?
-The term 'esoteric' implies that there are higher truths or knowledge that are not meant to be freely shared and are only disclosed in certain contexts or to certain individuals.
Why is there a debate about whether Joseph Smith's relationship with Fanny Alger was an affair or a plural marriage?
-The debate exists because of conflicting historical sources and the secretive nature of the relationship. Some sources suggest it was an affair, while others, particularly those who were aware of the early discussions of polygamy, suggest it was a plural marriage.
What is the significance of the word 'scrape' in the context of Oliver Cowdery's letter regarding Joseph Smith and Fanny Alger?
-The word 'scrape' was used by Oliver Cowdery in his letter to describe the situation between Joseph Smith and Fanny Alger as a difficult and distressing matter. It was later altered by Cowdery's nephew to 'affair', which has a different connotation and has led to misconceptions about the nature of their relationship.
Why might Joseph Smith have been motivated to keep his potential polygamous relationships secret?
-Joseph Smith might have been motivated to keep potential polygamous relationships secret due to the controversial and illegal nature of polygamy at the time, as well as the potential for violence or persecution he and the church could face if such practices were publicly known.
What evidence is there to suggest that Fanny Alger was not a minor when the relationship with Joseph Smith allegedly occurred?
-The evidence suggesting that Fanny Alger was not a minor is based on the timeline of events. Fanny would have been 18 years old in 1836, which is the year the relationship is believed to have occurred, making it less likely that the relationship was predatory.
How does the account of Levi Hancock, Fanny Alger's uncle, contribute to the understanding of the timeline of the relationship between Fanny and Joseph Smith?
-Levi Hancock's account provides specific events surrounding the time the relationship was discovered, such as the marriage of Hancock's brother and the receipt of a letter about attacks on Saints in Missouri, which helps narrow down the timeline to a few days in July of 1836.
What is the significance of the Kirtland Temple and the appearance of Christ, Moses, and Elijah in relation to the Fanny Alger story?
-The appearance of Christ, Moses, and Elijah in the Kirtland Temple is significant because it marks the restoration of the sealing keys by Elijah. This event could provide a religious and historical context for the start of Joseph Smith's relationship with Fanny Alger, suggesting it may have begun shortly after this religious milestone.
Why do some people continue to assert that Joseph Smith lied about practicing polygamy, despite evidence to the contrary?
-Some people may continue to assert that Joseph Smith lied about practicing polygamy due to a combination of personal beliefs, the influence of critical narratives, and a lack of exposure to or acceptance of the more nuanced historical research that suggests otherwise.
What is the role of Emma Smith in the narrative of Joseph Smith's relationship with Fanny Alger?
-Emma Smith, Joseph's wife, is often portrayed as being in denial or opposition to the idea that Joseph was involved in polygamy. However, the historical record is complex, and her actions and statements may be influenced by a variety of factors, including her own beliefs, the needs of the church, and the political and social context of the time.
How do the differing perspectives on Joseph Smith's character and intentions affect the interpretation of his relationship with Fanny Alger?
-The differing perspectives on Joseph Smith's character and intentions can significantly affect the interpretation of his relationship with Fanny Alger. Those who view Smith as a pious leader may be more inclined to accept the relationship as a form of polygamy, while those who view him as a fraud may focus on the potential for deception and duplicity.
Outlines
๐ต๏ธโโ๏ธ The Fanny Alger Narrative: Fact vs. Fiction
The discussion revolves around the popular narrative concerning Fanny Alger and Joseph Smith. It questions the validity of the claims that Alger was either Smith's first plural wife or merely an object of an affair. The conversation aims to debunk myths and่ฐ่จ (lies) about Smith, with author Don Bradley presenting his research from 'The Lost 116 Pages.' The dialogue also touches upon the differing perspectives within the early Church and the role of personal bias in interpreting history.
๐ Intensive Research on Joseph Smith's Polygamy
Don Bradley shares his experience working for Brian Hales, gathering sources on Joseph Smith's polygamy. His research spanned multiple archives and resulted in a collection of about 1500 sources. Initially biased against Smith, Bradley approached his research with skepticism, looking for personal gain in Smith's actions. However, the process of examining original sources led to a nuanced understanding of Smith's practice of polygamy.
๐ Uncovering the Truth in Oliver Cowdery's Letter
The paragraph delves into the analysis of a letter by Oliver Cowdery, a prominent figure in early Mormon history. Cowdery's letter, which is often cited as evidence of an affair between Joseph Smith and Fanny Alger, is scrutinized for its authenticity and the true meaning of the words used. The discussion highlights the difference between the words 'scrape' and 'affair' as they appear in the letter, suggesting that the original term 'scrape' indicated a problematic situation rather than an extramarital affair.
๐ The Misinterpretation of 'Affair' in Historical Context
This section addresses the misconception that has arisen from the use of the word 'affair' in Cowdery's letter. The discussion clarifies that the term 'affair' was not originally used by Cowdery and that his nephew replaced a slang term with the more general and less damning word 'affair.' The paragraph also explores the broader issue of how historical sources can be misinterpreted, especially when it comes to the language and slang of a bygone era.
๐ค Reassessing the Fanny Alger Relationship
The conversation continues with a debate on whether the relationship between Joseph Smith and Fanny Alger was an affair or a plural marriage. It raises questions about the reactions of those involved and the subsequent actions taken, suggesting that the relationship's end and Alger's quick remarriage indicate it was not viewed as a marriage. The discussion also contemplates the ethical implications of Smith's public denial of polygamy while practicing it in secret.
๐ The Doctrine and Covenants and Polygamy Rumors
The paragraph discusses the 1835 Doctrine and Covenants and the statement on marriage within it. It suggests that the statement's emphasis on monogamy was a response to existing rumors of polygamy within the church. The discussion points to the timeline of events, including the revelation's issuance before the discovery of Smith's relationship with Alger, as evidence of pre-existing discussions on polygamy.
๐ The High Council Trial and Oliver Cowdery's Accusations
This section details the accusations against Oliver Cowdery during a High Council trial and how they relate to the broader narrative of Joseph Smith's involvement with Fanny Alger. It explores the charges brought against Cowdery, including the spread of false information about Smith's polygamy, and the implications of Cowdery's failure to deny these accusations during the trial.
๐ The Reliability of Historical Accounts and Inferences
The paragraph examines the reliability of historical accounts, particularly those written by individuals like Levi Hancock, who were not direct witnesses to the events they describe. It questions the assumptions made in these accounts and the inferences drawn from them, suggesting that historians must make careful and systematic inferences based on the available evidence.
๐ค The Esoteric Nature of Joseph Smith's Teachings
The discussion touches on the esoteric nature of Joseph Smith's teachings, particularly regarding polygamy. It suggests that Smith's approach to sharing knowledge was selective, only revealing certain truths to certain individuals. The paragraph also explores the ethical dilemmas Smith faced in maintaining the secrecy of polygamy and the potential consequences of its disclosure.
๐ Analyzing Levi Hancock's Account of Fanny Alger's Marriage
This section scrutinizes Levi Hancock's account of Fanny Alger's alleged marriage to Joseph Smith, highlighting inconsistencies and the speculative nature of his narrative. It emphasizes the importance of primary sources and the need for critical analysis when evaluating historical claims.
๐ฐ๏ธ Timeline of Fanny Alger's Relationship with Joseph Smith
The paragraph focuses on establishing a timeline for the relationship between Fanny Alger and Joseph Smith. By correlating various accounts and events, the discussion aims to pinpoint when the relationship likely began and ended, challenging the conventional narrative and suggesting that it was a secret polygamous marriage rather than an affair.
๐ Historians' Consensus on the Alger-Smith Relationship
The discussionๆฑๆป (summarizes) the consensus among historians that the relationship between Fanny Alger and Joseph Smith was likely polygamy, not adultery. It highlights the work of various historians, regardless of their personal beliefs about Smith or polygamy, who have all concluded that the evidence points toward a polygamous relationship.
๐ข Joseph Smith's Public Denial of Polygamy
This section addresses Joseph Smith's public denial of polygamy, despite evidence suggesting he practiced it. It explores the potential reasons for these denials, including the need for secrecy and the protective nature of the doctrine, as well as the ethical considerations of such public statements.
๐ฏ Debunking Misconceptions about Fanny Alger
The final paragraph aims to debunk common misconceptions about Fanny Alger and Joseph Smith, emphasizing that Alger was not a minor and that the relationship was not predatory. It also refutes the claim that Smith lied to the church about the relationship, suggesting that he may have privately admitted to the High Council that it was a form of polygamy.
Mindmap
Keywords
๐กFanny Alger
๐กPlural Marriage
๐กOliver Cowdery
๐กHistoriography
๐กPrimary Sources
๐กEsoteric Knowledge
๐กElijah and the Sealing Keys
๐กEmma Smith
๐กHigh Council
๐กPolygamy Controversy
๐กHistorical Context
Highlights
The popular narrative surrounding Fanny Alger's relationship with Joseph Smith is challenged, suggesting it was not an affair but potentially a plural marriage.
The term 'affair' is disputed, as it is argued that Oliver Cowdery originally used the term 'scrape', which was later altered by his nephew to 'affair'.
The use of the word 'scrape' indicates a problematic situation rather than an extramarital relationship, suggesting a different interpretation of the relationship.
The historical context of the 1830s and the slang of the time are crucial for understanding the true nature of the relationship between Joseph Smith and Fanny Alger.
The claim that Joseph Smith's relationship with Fanny Alger began in 1833 is questioned, with evidence suggesting it may have started later.
The role of Emma Smith in the discovery and aftermath of the relationship is discussed, including her public denial of any polygamous activities by her husband.
The historical record is described as inherently messy, with historians attempting to piece together events from incomplete and sometimes conflicting sources.
The possibility that Joseph Smith was selective in what he disclosed to the public and what he kept private, due to the esoteric nature of some teachings, is explored.
The ethical implications of Joseph Smith's public denial of polygamy while possibly practicing it privately are examined.
The timeline of events is emphasized as crucial for understanding the causal relationships and the nature of the relationship between Joseph Smith and Fanny Alger.
The account provided by Levi Hancock, Fanny Alger's uncle, is critiqued for its historical accuracy, with concerns about assumptions and anachronistic interpretations.
The use of the word 'affair' in historical sources is shown to be a misquote, with the original term 'scrape' providing a different perspective on the relationship.
The impact of Joseph Smith's translation of the Book of Abraham and its narrative on his personal life decisions, including potential parallels to the story of Abraham and Sarah, is discussed.
The challenge issued to critics of the church to respond to the research presented, particularly regarding the misquote of Oliver Cowdery and the nature of the relationship with Fanny Alger.
The importance of considering the historical context and the original language used in sources when evaluating the relationship between Joseph Smith and Fanny Alger.
The discussion highlights the complexity of historical research and the need for careful examination of sources when attempting to understand past events.
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