OCD3: Dr. Phillipson Talks Science, Symptoms & Treatment of OCD
TLDRIn this insightful interview, Dr. Steve, a clinical psychologist, discusses the complexities of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD), particularly focusing on 'Pure O', where sufferers experience intrusive thoughts without observable rituals. He shares his journey into specializing in OCD, the importance of distinguishing OCD from perfectionism, and the significance of Exposure Response Prevention (ERP) therapy. Dr. Steve emphasizes the need for proper diagnosis, the role of a qualified specialist, and the potential of remote therapy. He also highlights the value of community support and the misconceptions about OCD perpetuated by media, advocating for increased awareness and education.
Takeaways
- 🧠 Intrusive thoughts are irrational, unwanted thoughts that can cause significant distress, particularly in individuals with OCD.
- 🔬 Steve got involved in psychology to honor his father and pursued extensive education and training in clinical psychology and behavioral therapy.
- 🏥 Steve's training at Johns Hopkins emphasized a scientific and behavioral approach to understanding and treating human behavior.
- 📝 The term 'Pure O' was coined by Steve to describe a subset of OCD where individuals experience intrusive thoughts without observable rituals.
- 👶 Common intrusive thoughts in Pure O include fears related to harm, sexuality, and religion, often causing significant anxiety and distress.
- 🧩 Intrusive thoughts do not reflect a person's character or desires; they are a result of a malfunctioning anxiety response in the brain.
- 🔍 Exposure Response Prevention (ERP) therapy is the gold standard for treating OCD, involving repeated exposure to the feared thoughts or situations to diminish their impact.
- 🌐 ERP therapy can be effectively conducted remotely via Skype or phone, especially beneficial for those in remote areas or with limited local resources.
- 👨👩👧👦 Children with OCD often experience more shame and may have a Pure O form of OCD; it's important for parents to maintain open communication and understanding.
- 📚 Education and finding a qualified specialist in OCD and ERP therapy are crucial for effective treatment and management of the disorder.
Q & A
What was Steve's initial inspiration for pursuing a career in psychology?
-Steve's initial inspiration for pursuing a career in psychology was to honor his father who passed away when he was two. His father was a clinical psychologist, and Steve grew up wanting to follow in his footsteps.
How did Steve's training at Johns Hopkins Hospital influence his approach to psychology?
-Steve's training at Johns Hopkins Hospital taught him how to be a scientist. The institution is behaviorally oriented and focuses on an analytical and scientific behavioral approach, which taught him about measuring human behavior, understanding influences on behavior, and what can change it.
What is the significance of Dr. Gordon Ball in Steve's professional journey?
-Dr. Gordon Ball was a senior staff psychologist at the Institute for Behavioral Therapy and a specialist with OCD. Steve admired him and sought his guidance, which led to Dr. Ball supervising Steve on cases and giving him patients to work with, significantly influencing Steve's expertise in treating OCD.
How did Steve come up with the term 'Pure O' for a subset of OCD?
-Steve coined the term 'Pure O' after realizing that many of his patients experienced intrusive thoughts but did not engage in observable rituals like handwashing or checking. The term helped distinguish this subset of OCD from the more commonly known behaviors associated with OCD.
What is the difference between 'Pure O' and traditional OCD as understood by the public?
-The difference between 'Pure O' and traditional OCD is that 'Pure O' involves intrusive thoughts and mental rituals that are not observable, whereas traditional OCD is often associated with visible rituals like handwashing or checking. 'Pure O' individuals may engage in mental acts like praying or using reason to cope with their intrusive thoughts.
What is the technical term used in the scientific community for what Steve refers to as 'Pure O'?
-The technical term used in the scientific community for what Steve refers to as 'Pure O' is 'non-observable ritualizers'.
What are the three major themes of intrusive thoughts in OCD according to the transcript?
-The three major themes of intrusive thoughts in OCD are violence (fear of causing harm to oneself or others), sexual themes (often involving inappropriate sexual urges or fears), and religious themes (such as fears of blasphemy or losing faith).
How does Exposure Response Prevention (ERP) therapy work for treating OCD?
-Exposure Response Prevention (ERP) therapy works by teaching patients to repeatedly and voluntarily create the associations that trigger their OCD, demonstrating to their brain that these associations are not dangerous or meaningful. Over time, this helps the brain to stop responding with anxiety to these triggers, leading to a decrease in the anxiety response.
Why is it important for individuals with OCD to find a therapist who specializes in ERP?
-It is important for individuals with OCD to find a therapist who specializes in ERP because this form of therapy is the most effective for treating OCD. Specialists have the necessary training and understanding of the condition to provide the appropriate exposure exercises and prevent rituals, leading to better outcomes.
How can mindfulness practices complement the treatment of OCD?
-Mindfulness practices can complement the treatment of OCD by allowing individuals to observe their thoughts and feelings without judgment or reaction. This can help them to better manage their responses to intrusive thoughts and reduce the associated anxiety, making ERP therapy more effective.
What is the significance of the 'white elephant effect' in understanding how intrusive thoughts work in OCD?
-The 'white elephant effect' illustrates how trying to avoid thinking about a particular topic can actually lead the brain to focus on it more. In OCD, the brain may generate intrusive thoughts and then become preoccupied with them, similar to how mentioning not thinking about a white elephant makes it difficult not to think about it.
What advice does Steve give to parents who suspect their child might have OCD?
-Steve advises parents to keep an open dialogue with their children about intrusive thoughts and anxiety, especially around the age of nine. He suggests informing children about what anxiety feels like and encouraging them to share any concerns they might have, helping them understand that having such thoughts does not necessarily mean they are abnormal or should be ashamed.
How does Steve differentiate between someone with pedophile OCD and an actual pedophile?
-Steve differentiates between someone with pedophile OCD and an actual pedophile based on their reactions to intrusive thoughts. A person with pedophile OCD is terrified by their thoughts and seeks reassurance and proof of their innocence, whereas an actual pedophile would excitedly plot and look forward to opportunities to exploit children.
What are some of the misconceptions about OCD that Steve would like to see corrected in the future?
-Steve would like to correct misconceptions such as confusing OCD with perfectionism, portraying it as a condition characterized by anger and control issues, and misunderstanding the nature of intrusive thoughts. He emphasizes that OCD is an anxiety disorder stemming from a malfunctioning anxiety system, not a personality trait.
Outlines
🎓 Background and Introduction to Intrusive Thoughts
Steve shares his journey into psychology, inspired by his father's legacy as a clinical psychologist. Initially considering a career as a dentist, he later pursued psychology, obtaining his major at Lynchburg College and a master's degree at Towson State University. His time at Johns Hopkins Hospital honed his scientific approach to human behavior. Steve's interest in OCD began during his PhD program at Hofstra University, where he encountered Dr. Gordon Ball, a specialist in OCD. This led to the establishment of the first OCD group for behavioral therapy in the NY area, sparking Steve's curiosity about intrusive thoughts and their impact on rational, intelligent individuals.
🤔 The Puzzle of Intrusive Thoughts in OCD
Steve delves into the complexities of intrusive thoughts, particularly within the context of OCD. He discusses the stark contrast between the intelligent and rational mindset of those suffering from OCD and their irrational behaviors and fears. Drawing from his training and experiences, he began to investigate the reasons behind the intense reactions to thoughts that the individuals themselves recognized as irrational. The narrative touches on the work of Edna Foa and her aggressive exposure treatment for OCD, focusing on observable rituals. Steve's interest in intrusive thoughts, especially those not accompanied by visible rituals, led him to coin the term 'Pure O' to describe this subset of OCD.
🔍 Understanding 'Pure O' and its Distinction from Traditional OCD
Steve explains the concept of 'Pure O', a term he created to describe individuals with OCD whose rituals are primarily mental, such as reassurances and logical reasoning, rather than physical. He contrasts this with the traditional understanding of OCD, which often focuses on observable rituals like handwashing. The term 'Pure O' has resonated with sufferers who felt misunderstood by the medical community and the media, which typically portrays OCD in terms of visible compulsions. The scientific term for this subset is 'non-observable ritualizers', but 'Pure O' has gained popularity for its clarity and distinction.
🗝️ The Misunderstandings and Misdiagnoses in OCD Treatment
The conversation highlights the common misperceptions and misdiagnoses associated with OCD, especially 'Pure O'. Steve recounts how patients were often mistaken for having a psychosis due to the imaginative and distressing nature of their intrusive thoughts. He emphasizes the importance of proper training and understanding of OCD's various subsets to avoid such misdiagnoses. The discussion also touches on the personal experience of having intrusive thoughts and how they differ from the distressing and terror-inducing thoughts experienced by individuals with OCD.
🧐 The Nature of Intrusive Thoughts and Their Impact on Individuals
Steve provides insight into the nature of intrusive thoughts, likening them to 'creative associations' that everyone experiences. The key difference lies in the reaction to these thoughts; while most people can dismiss them, individuals with OCD have a strong emotional response that triggers distress and the need for rituals to alleviate the perceived danger. He explains the concept of 'rituals' as efforts to neutralize or escape from these thoughts, which paradoxically reinforces the brain's alarm and perpetuates the cycle of anxiety.
🛡️ The Role of the Amygdala and the OCD Brain's Response to Intrusive Thoughts
Steve discusses the role of the amygdala in the brain's response to intrusive thoughts, suggesting a malfunctioning mechanism that triggers an emergency signal. This signal is paired with thoughts, creating a sense of danger and prompting an instinctual reaction to eliminate the perceived threat. He likens the process to the 'white elephant effect', where the more one tries to avoid a thought, the more it resurfaces. The discussion also addresses the ineffectiveness of seeking reassurance and the importance of understanding that the content of intrusive thoughts does not reflect a person's character.
👨⚕️ The Path to Effective Treatment for OCD
The conversation turns to the path of effective treatment for OCD, emphasizing the importance of research and understanding the condition. Steve advises sufferers to seek out qualified specialists, particularly those with expertise in Exposure Response Prevention (ERP) therapy. He explains that ERP teaches the brain to recognize the irrelevance of intrusive thoughts through voluntary and repeated exposure, leading to habituation and a reduction in anxiety response. The discussion also highlights the importance of finding the right therapist and the potential of remote therapy through platforms like Skype.
👶 OCD in Children and the Importance of Early Detection
Steve addresses the topic of OCD in children, noting the genetic component and the likelihood of the condition manifesting in a 'Pure O' form due to the shame associated with visible rituals. He suggests that parents should maintain an open dialogue with their children around the age of nine, discussing intrusive thoughts and anxiety. The summary also touches on the common behaviors in young children that may resemble OCD but are actually part of normal developmental processes to establish order and security in their world.
🌐 The Future of OCD Conversations and the Importance of Community
In envisioning the future of OCD discussions, Steve hopes for a clearer understanding of OCD as an anxiety disorder that is distinct from perfectionism. He emphasizes the importance of ERP as the treatment of choice and the desire to eliminate the stigma and mystery surrounding the condition. Steve encourages community involvement, whether through joining OCD support groups or participating in online forums, to foster a sense of camaraderie and shared experience among sufferers.
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Keywords
💡Intrusive Thoughts
💡OCD (Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder)
💡Pure O
💡Exposure Response Prevention (ERP)
💡Neuroanatomy
💡Misdiagnosis
💡Rituals
💡Habituation
💡Amygdala
💡Cognitive Therapy
💡Mindfulness
Highlights
Steve's introduction to psychology was inspired by his father's profession as a clinical psychologist.
Steve's educational background includes a psychology major at Lynchburg College and a master's degree at Towson State University with an internship at Johns Hopkins Hospital.
Johns Hopkins taught Steve the scientific and analytical approach to understanding and measuring human behavior.
Steve's introduction to OCD treatment came through Dr. Gordon Ball, a specialist in OCD at the Institute for Behavioral Therapy.
Steve initiated the first OCD group for behavioral therapy in the NY area in collaboration with his mentor.
Steve's interest in intrusive thoughts was piqued by observing intelligent patients reacting irrationally to their thoughts.
Steve differentiated 'Pure O' OCD, a subset characterized by intrusive thoughts and mental rituals, from traditional OCD with observable behaviors.
The term 'Pure O' was coined by Steve to help patients who were not recognized as having OCD due to the lack of physical rituals.
Steve criticized primitive treatments for intrusive thoughts, such as snapping a rubber band or shouting 'stop', as ineffective.
Edna Foa's work with exposure treatment for OCD inspired Steve to develop a more sophisticated approach for the intrusive thoughts subset.
Steve's article 'Thinking the Unthinkable' popularized the term 'Pure O' and his approach to treating OCD.
The difference between Pure O and traditional OCD is that Pure O rituals are mental, whereas traditional OCD rituals are observable behaviors.
Steve clarifies that 'Pure O' is not a scientific term but a nickname to distinguish a subset of OCD patients with mental rituals.
The 'big three' intrusive thought themes in OCD are violence, sex, and religion.
Steve explains that intrusive thoughts in OCD are not meaningful indicators of a person's character or desires.
The amygdala, responsible for emergency responses, is believed to malfunction in OCD, causing unnecessary fear responses to thoughts.
Exposure Response Prevention (ERP) therapy is the effective treatment for OCD, teaching the brain that intrusive thoughts are irrelevant.
ERP involves voluntarily and repeatedly evoking intrusive thoughts to demonstrate their irrelevance and reduce anxiety over time.
Finding a therapist with expertise in ERP is crucial for effective OCD treatment, as the wrong therapy can be detrimental.
Remote therapy via Skype has been effective, with Steve noting a higher success rate for remote patients due to their investment in treatment.
Mindfulness can be a helpful adjunct to ERP therapy, fostering non-judgmental awareness of intrusive thoughts.
Parents should be aware of the genetic component of OCD and maintain open communication with their children about intrusive thoughts.
Steve advocates for community involvement and education about OCD to reduce shame and the sense of isolation.
The portrayal of OCD in media often confuses it with perfectionism, which Steve aims to clarify and correct.
Education about OCD and its proper treatment, ERP, is essential to dispel myths and encourage proper care.
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